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How to Get from 20 Million to 100 Million in Online Sales: Lessons from Agora Publishing

March 26th, 2008 by Kenneth Read more about Entrepreneurship

Lately, I’ve been think­ing a lot about the suc­cess of our com­peti­tors such as Cen­ter­pointe and espe­cially, Agora Pub­lish­ing. I don’t know how I did it, but I stum­bled across the entire col­lec­tion of Agora swipe files.

Michael Mas­ter­son is the founder of Agora. I’ve read some of his work, and I have bought his books before. Ear­ly­torise is just one of Agora’s mini empires, because Agora Pub­lish­ing itself is a $100M com­pany, based mainly on inter­net mar­ket­ing. Although they have phys­i­cal prod­ucts e.g books, the bulk of what they do lies in inter­net mar­ket­ing or using inter­net mar­ket­ing channels.

I found it really inter­est­ing because most inter­net mar­keters don’t get that big. Most inter­net mar­keters cel­e­brate when they earn $1M a year, or like Eben Pagan mak­ing $20M a year. What Agora makes is almost akin to the direct mar­ket­ing giants, the offline mar­ket­ing giants like Board­room and Weiss International.

We need to start doing what suc­cess­ful busi­nesses are doing, so I thought to myself, what is Agora doing that we aren’t?

5 Dis­cov­er­ies on Agora

1. Think like a direct response marketer

Mary Ellen Tribby said ‘think like a mar­keter’. She didn’t say with the accu­racy that I would like it said. I think that is too gen­eral a state­ment, because what kind of mar­keter do you want to think like? After study­ing Agora, I think this is the answer: think like a direct response marketer.

Ken McCarthy said the inter­net is a direct response medium. A lot of other peo­ple have said it too. The prob­lem is this: we don’t know what direct response really mar­ket­ing is, because we don’t study how the direct response giants really work. I believe Agora stud­ied and repli­cated their for­mats of the offline giants, the peo­ple who have been in direct mar­ket­ing for the last 100years.

Do you know that the best sales copy­writ­ing is not from web­site copy? The peo­ple we cel­e­brate don’t even begin to com­pare to the offline mar­keters. When you sub­scribe to Board­room, Weiss Inter­na­tional or some of the things that Clay­ton Make­peace is involved with, you find that the qual­ity of the direct response copy­writ­ing is extremely good.

It is pre­cise and extremely tar­geted to the prospect because they can­not afford to lose money, whereas inter­net mar­keters put up a sales page, put in a swipe file and hope that it works. These guys know the mar­ket, and the key thing about think­ing like a direct response mar­keter is this: they idol­ize the great­est mar­ket­ing genius of all time. Who? The prospect. Not Jay Abra­ham and not Dan Kennedy. The prospects are the ones who hand you the money.

If you are mar­ket­ing a prod­uct or a ser­vice, you must think like them. Think in their frame of mind: when they surf the net and search some­thing in the search engine, how do they search? What is the buy­ing process? What is their rela­tion­ship with you?

Direct mar­keters are really good at this; it’s one-on-one mar­ket­ing in its most per­sonal and inti­mate form. A lot of inter­net mar­keters don’t do this, but Agora does this really well.

2. Make newslet­ters your main form of marketing.

We often write newslet­ters quite flip­pantly as a way of get­ting rev­enue. Agora, on the other hand, has made newslet­ters their busi­ness and their busi­ness model. It’s almost their only way of mar­ket­ing. Agora has made newslet­ters their dri­ving force, and their main source of rev­enue, and that’s made $100M for them. I can only spec­u­late why this has worked so well, but I think it’s this:

A newslet­ter is the ulti­mate form of rela­tion­ship build­ing because it is con­tin­u­ous. This is the exact oppo­site of a free report, where you get a lead and you get them to give you their email address. A report is one-off, and they may not wel­come what you have to offer them later.

When peo­ple sign up for a newslet­ter, they want to know what you have to offer, and they expect you to keep in touch. They expect you to give them infor­ma­tion and value. They are in a dif­fer­ent frame of mind, and it dri­ves lead gen­er­a­tion because peo­ple freely give their email want­ing to get some­thing of value, which Agora gives.

It gives the newslet­ter the right to keep bom­bard­ing them with mes­sages, which has proved very use­ful for Agora.

3. Always be there.

Dan Kennedy taught me this; peo­ple are not loyal to brands. The key way to get money out of your prospect’s pocket is to make sure you are there when they need you.

For exam­ple, if you’re in insur­ance and if you’ve been talk­ing to me and I haven’t bought from you for six months, when my aunt dies unex­pect­edly I’m not going to look for the big names. If you’re not there at that point in time, I’ll look for some­one else, whoever’s near­est and most eas­ily avail­able and speak­ing to me then.

Most of the time, you don’t know when you are reach­ing peo­ple at their point of need. The only solu­tion, there­fore, is to keep being there for them. Ear­ly­torise is there Tues­day, Thurs­day and Sat­ur­day. They are there first thing in the morning…so guess who you turn to when you have a need to gen­er­ate wealth or health.

Another thing — the more fre­quently a mar­keter com­mu­ni­cates, the more recep­tive the prospect becomes – the best friends are the ones who are always there (or they can unsubscribe).

4. Put rela­tion­ship before selling.

Agora does this. A few of their sites do have one-time offers, but this is very rare. It’s usu­ally tiny, maybe a $37 book. They build a fan­tas­tic rela­tion­ship even before they ask you to buy.

As the newslet­ters keep giv­ing you value, they grow as a friend and become the author­ity, so that the minute they give some­thing to buy, peo­ple do. I sub­scribe to these newslet­ters, and chances are if they asked me to buy, I might have to stop myself because I have devel­oped an emo­tional bond with the newsletters.

And of course, they treat their buy­ers right, which is often seen with offline and direct mar­keters. Clay­ton Make­peace told me this; the way to know how they treat their cus­tomers is to keep buy­ing their prod­ucts. Let’s say you sub­scribe to Board­room and you buy keep buy­ing from them — sooner or later, you will see mar­ket­ing that is very tar­geted towards you: tar­geted copy, value and offers that you don’t find if you don’t buy from them and you study them from the surface.

After you’ve bought 3 or 4 prod­ucts, they start offer­ing you ten thou­sand dol­lar prod­ucts and at that time, you buy. We just need to see the for­mula and repli­cate it.

5. Uti­lize the 2 Lever­age points: Con­tent and Copywriting.

Inter­net has opened the mar­ket, so as an inter­net mar­keter you have to work a lot harder than a direct response mar­keter. What dis­tin­guishes what you are try­ing to sell from what peo­ple can prob­a­bly get online, free?

Agora’s model, in direct con­trast to direct mar­keters, for exam­ple, gives away a newslet­ter for which they should prob­a­bly be charg­ing you. Direct response mar­keters will make sure that you pay for those newsletters.

The key is to cre­ate great in-house con­tent, and to give more value than the cus­tomer expects. Agora caught onto this early, so they don’t sell it to you, they give it away. They make you a buyer down the line, they become more attrac­tive than any inter­net mar­ket­ing com­peti­tor online. They have no big names work­ing there — they have a process to build up adver­tis­ing stu­dents into bril­liant con­tent writ­ers and copy writ­ers who they never leave because they get royalties.

For exam­ple, their copy­writ­ing is so good that for a $27 book, with­out using prod­uct launch for­mula, purely on email mar­ket­ing and sales copy­writ­ing they gen­er­ated 6million.

Their empha­sis is on con­tent and giv­ing you value – you do not get what you pay for, you get some­thing that you would pay to get. Michael Mas­ter­son has a lot of good advice that can actu­ally make you money. And the only way to keep com­ing up with con­tent like this 5 or 6 times a week is by invest­ing in many in-house peo­ple to pro­duce con­stant and con­sis­tent content.

All of this is prob­a­bly the secret to Agora’s success…

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Kenneth Kenneth Yu is a tormented artist, but he was determined not to be a starving one. This is the primary reason why this D&AD award-winning advertising creative has plunged into the world of Internet entrepreneurship, and the rest -- as they say -- is history. Straddling both the creative and business realm, Kenneth combines bullet-fast ideation and his vast experience working with the big brands to alchemize marketing gold as the Head Copywriter and Marketing Strategist in MindValley. He shares more out-of-the-box marketing and copywriting tips (plus cool irreverent stuff) on his Twitter

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10 Responses to “How to Get from 20 Million to 100 Million in Online Sales: Lessons from Agora Publishing”

  1. bob

    Pow­er­ful Sales & Mar­ket­ing Ideas of $100 Mil­lion Dol­lar Companies

    So let’s imag­ine that you do sell office equip­ment and it’s your turn to give your speech and the audi­ence is full of CFOs. If you’re a lit­tle strate­gic, you might go with some­thing like: “The Five Ways our Office Equip­ment Can Ben­e­fit You.” Again, an approach like this appeals only to those who are “buy­ing now,” and pos­si­bly those who are “open to it,” but pretty much 90% of your audi­ence is leaving.

    So what title would have a broader appeal? How about: “The Nine Ways You’re Wast­ing Money in your Oper­a­tions and Admin­is­tra­tion.” I’m not say­ing this is going to rivet the exec­u­tive to their chair, but they’re not leav­ing either. They’ll stay to hear a lit­tle more. This is also true for an ad with that head­line. It’s def­i­nitely going to appeal to the top two tiers, but it also appeals to every­one in that stadium.

    Every­one is inter­ested in sav­ing money in their oper­a­tions and admin­is­tra­tion costs. Cer­tainly every CFO is inter­ested in that and, there­fore, they would stay in the sta­dium. And if every­thing that fol­lows has some sub­stance to it, you’ve now taken your mar­ket­ing and sell­ing activ­ity to an entirely new level.

    The hard­est thing we need to do today is grab the atten­tion of the poten­tial buyer and keep the atten­tion long enough to help them buy your prod­uct. This approach of offer­ing some edu­ca­tion of value to them gives you a sig­nif­i­cant oppor­tu­nity to attract more buy­ers and build more cred­i­bil­ity. I call this “edu­ca­tional based mar­ket­ing” and here’s a line you should write down: You will attract way more buy­ers if you are offer­ing to teach them some­thing of value to them than you will ever attract by sim­ply try­ing to sell them your prod­uct or service.

    As another exam­ple, I had a mer­chant ser­vices com­pany as a client. They pri­mar­ily tar­get retail stores. So in their audi­ence are retail store­own­ers. If they walk out there and start off with: “I’m going to show you why our mer­chant ser­vices are bet­ter than any­one else’s,” the 90% are leav­ing as they are not in the mar­ket for mer­chant ser­vices right now. So what could you say to keep every retailer in their seats to hear a lit­tle more? Here’s a great title: “The Five Rea­sons All Retail­ers Fail.” The tac­ti­cal exec­u­tive read­ing this is already say­ing: “But if all I really want to do is sell mer­chant ser­vices, than why would I bother with all this?”

    Answer:

    1. Because offer­ing an edu­ca­tion that helps the buyer is going to get more buyer interest.

    2. If the infor­ma­tion is actu­ally good and use­ful, it auto­mat­i­cally repo­si­tions you in the mind of the buyer as much more of an expert than all your com­peti­tors. (You’re teach­ing them things about their own busi­ness that they might not know.)

    3. If you think and plan strate­gi­cally, you will find a way to weave that infor­ma­tion in such a way that ulti­mately sells your ser­vices far bet­ter than you could ever sell them by sim­ply flat-out pitch­ing your product.

    For more infor­ma­tion visit http://www.howtodoublesales.com

  2. Passengers Only

    you guys are great, thanks for the awe­some advise. this is a really infor­ma­tive arti­cle, and I for one have never done email mar­ket­ing, just been using SEM, now I am con­vinced I should be doing it. I have built a lit­tle bit of a list up, and ready to send out some emails based on these and your pre­vi­ous techniques.

    If pos­si­ble at all, it would be great to hear your thoughts in a future post about the best way to gen­er­ate a good sub­scriber list.

  3. Six Figure Clicks

    So, so true: Put rela­tion­ship before sell­ing. I, like a lot of online mar­keters I know, begin their SEM lives with a smash-and-grab men­tal­ity. It’s the Clickbank-y atti­tude of run­ning traf­fic fast to an offer and suck­ing it dry before the whole thing implodes. Don’t get me wrong — peo­ple do suc­ceed that way. But you have to have a cer­tain “con­sti­tu­tion” for that, and this approach often wears peo­ple down. Relationship-based mar­ket­ing makes more sense…in the long run.

  4. Tim B

    Seri­ously, why not include a link to the site with the article?

  5. Carl Juneau

    Great arti­cle. I don’t know who you guys are, but I’m start­ing to open your emails religiously.

    Keep it up.

    CJ

  6. Mike

    The best ways to grow your sub­scriber list is to offer incred­i­ble value for free. Give them great access to infor­ma­tion such as:

    * 7 Free lessons on [enter topic]
    * A spe­cial report
    * Access to exclu­sive videos
    * Newsletter

    As long as you can come up with really insight­ful infor­ma­tion and give it away freely peo­ple will be will­ing to sign-up for your list.

  7. Don Dalrymple

    Every con­cept you observed, we teach the entre­pre­neurs we coach. The con­cepts are astute and valid. We find that our Ascend­Works cus­tomers require the fol­low­ing to exe­cute effec­tive rela­tion­ship marketing:

    1. A par­a­digm shift — there is a lengthy coach­ing process to help the per­son see real­ity. We all do not like to be sold. The mes­sage should not do so either.
    2. Com­mit­ment to rela­tion­ship. They strug­gle to keep their impulse for mak­ing money in check, thus they vio­late the rules of eti­quette in build­ing authen­tic rela­tion­ship.
    3. Deliv­er­ing true value. They must be able to define how what they offer truly makes a dif­fer­ence in the life of their audi­ence. The answer is not too far from them.
    4. Belief. “Think­ing is one of the hard­est things there is. That is why so few peo­ple do it.” — Henry Ford. Writ­ing forces think­ing. Writ­ing exposes a belief system.

    Thank you for think­ing it through, digest­ing it and shar­ing your knowledge.

    Regards,
    Don Dal­rym­ple
    Head Busi­ness Coach
    AscendWorks

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    […] That list includes Eben Pagan, for exam­ple, when he said to move the free line and make sure every­thing you give away is of value and can be monetized. […]

  9. Rob

    Ken­neth — Nice post about Agora. But did you know Agora (and it’s affil­i­ates) is a Direct Response Mar­ket­ing Company?

    I guess you don’t get their direct mail in Malaysia? I and many peo­ple I know get it in the USA. Lot’s of it.

    Another rea­son for their suc­cess (that is impor­tant to men­tion in your post) is that they (and many other hyper-successful direct mar­ket­ing com­pa­nies) com­pound dif­fer­ent media.

    This gives them addi­tional lever­age in the mar­ket­place. That is to say, they use direct mail, email, micro-sites, and I’ve seen ads of theirs in indus­try magazines/trade jour­nals, and books in book­stores. Plus, they’re big enough to cross-promote and JV with other suc­cess­ful companies.

  10. JF

    Hi Ken­neth,

    Great post… just two lit­tle clar­i­fi­ca­tions, in the inter­est of posterity:

    First, Michael Mas­ter­son has been HUGELY impor­tant to Agora’s suc­cess. How­ever, he’s not the founder… and would cer­tainly want you to reserve that credit for another excep­tional copy­writer and “Big Idea” busi­ness­man, William Bon­ner. Sec­ond, $100 mil­lion is a mile­stone long since passed. I think we’re over $300 mil­lion by now. Truly a phenomenon.

    Best,

    John F.

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