Comments on: How Internet Marketing Gurus are Screwing The Public and Making it Increasingly Harder for Newbies to Gain Guidance http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/ We Test, Synthesize and Share the Latest Internet Marketing Tactics and Strategies to Help You Better Run Your Online Business. Tue, 26 Jan 2010 00:19:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: A.B http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/comment-page-1/#comment-104414 A.B Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:33:55 +0000 http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/#comment-104414 While I have no doubt about the specialized skills and techniques used by these gurus, it can get a little too frustrating simply getting tangled and lost in all their hype, and find almost no value at the end of the day. Hype - that's one thing I agree these guru's are really good at. For some of them, unfortunately, hype is the only thing they're good at. So the question, for those who are trying to master Internet Marketing, might be: 1) Can I learn anything from these gurus without paying money? 2) Who's real and who's not? 3) Whose Internet marketing methods should I follow? While I have no doubt about the specialized skills and techniques used by these gurus, it can get a little too frustrating simply getting tangled and lost in all their hype, and find almost no value at the end of the day.
Hype — that’s one thing I agree these guru’s are really good at.

For some of them, unfortunately, hype is the only thing they’re good at.
So the question, for those who are trying to master Internet Marketing, might be:
1) Can I learn anything from these gurus without paying money?
2) Who’s real and who’s not?
3) Whose Internet marketing methods should I follow?

]]> By: Kerry in Ohio http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/comment-page-1/#comment-104272 Kerry in Ohio Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:37:42 +0000 http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/#comment-104272 Until five days ago, I didn't know the meaning of "affilliate program" or "adword". And as many other millions, my husband and I are struggling due to downsizing and a serious work injury that between the two claimed half of our income within two years. We need to take a risk. Go down a new path. During research, it seems that the "big" money makers are using scams and underhanded techniques in the internet marketing field to get rich off the backs of the desperate like us. Is that what I'm getting? Every review page or blog page I went to had comments from all types but had one thing in common.....a link to their site where they were hoping to guide me to make a buck off me. Is that correct? But after literally hours upon hours of research, this looks like a place on the up and up where I can come to get real info about starting an internet business with the understanding (and reality) that it takes time, perserverance and good old fashioned hard work to become a success. Please tell me, do I have a clue or do I need to start over because I have it all wrong... signed, the prodigal newbie Until five days ago, I didn’t know the meaning of “affilliate program” or “adword”. And as many other millions, my husband and I are struggling due to downsizing and a serious work injury that between the two claimed half of our income within two years. We need to take a risk. Go down a new path. During research, it seems that the “big” money makers are using scams and underhanded techniques in the internet marketing field to get rich off the backs of the desperate like us. Is that what I’m getting? Every review page or blog page I went to had comments from all types but had one thing in common.….a link to their site where they were hoping to guide me to make a buck off me. Is that correct? But after literally hours upon hours of research, this looks like a place on the up and up where I can come to get real info about starting an internet business with the understanding (and reality) that it takes time, perserverance and good old fashioned hard work to become a success. Please tell me, do I have a clue or do I need to start over because I have it all wrong…
signed,
the prodigal newbie

]]> By: Amir Ahmad http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/comment-page-1/#comment-102859 Amir Ahmad Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:37:26 +0000 http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/#comment-102859 Ellie and Seas, "So many people are taken in. NOT nice!!" True, and that's the result of too many people selling hype and temporary trends. "We regular folk don’t like selling. It’s not us." And that's what can be changed. "I care and I want EVERYBODY to succeed in life. Not just great ones." Which is an admirable sentiment, and herein comes the need to learn how to sell, because in my opinion, that's a big part of success. Selling your product, ideas, or even yourself during an interview. Selling is an important skill to develop. Vishen already highlighted excellent sources that teach the PROVEN fundamentals, and the best part is that the aforementioned books are all very affordable. Just focus on them, take it all one step at a time, and you will get there. Cheers, Amir ;) Ellie and Seas,

“So many people are taken in. NOT nice!!”

True, and that’s the result of too many people selling hype and temporary trends.

“We regular folk don’t like selling. It’s not us.”

And that’s what can be changed.

“I care and I want EVERYBODY to succeed in life. Not just great ones.”

Which is an admirable sentiment, and herein comes the need to learn how to sell, because in my opinion, that’s a big part of success.

Selling your product, ideas, or even yourself during an interview.

Selling is an important skill to develop. Vishen already highlighted excellent sources that teach the PROVEN fundamentals, and the best part is that the aforementioned books are all very affordable.

Just focus on them, take it all one step at a time, and you will get there.

Cheers,
Amir ;)

]]> By: Ellie and Seas http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/comment-page-1/#comment-102846 Ellie and Seas Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:26:18 +0000 http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/#comment-102846 Oh wow - this so hits home with me. I am so tired of all the marketing hype sales pitches these days. I thought they were really interesting in the beginning, but come to find out they sell "selling" using underhanded tricks sometimes. These days, lots of folks are struggling and can ill afford spending on guru tactics they will never use. It's alot of work to get high in the search engines. Tons. Many of these ads promise glitzy living if you buy these programs and attend these seminars and only work an hour a week from comfort of home. So many people are taken in. NOT nice!! I am so over it. It hurts my heart to see so many people buy into these programs and then become disheartened and disillusioned when they don't succeed. The gurus rake it millions - good for them - but I can see that most all of them are super talented, write incredibly well, work day and night on promoting, talking, creating content. They are super folks. But everyday people like me, are NOT. We can't do what they do. They love selling. They can't stop. We regular folk don't like selling. It's not us. I just started a new website and maybe I won't make a dime because of my ignorance - we will see. I wish I could afford MindValleyLabs and do what they recommend. But I can't, and I'm not that smart. I just wanted to share my teeny ire about these great marketing gurus who sell truly great things that nobody can use. Thank you for listening, and actually I do appreciate all this advice from Vishen, a brilliant genius. But i felt like saying my honest peace - if this gets me in trouble, oh well. My heart is in the right place. I care and I want EVERYBODY to succeed in life. Not just great ones. Oh wow — this so hits home with me. I am so tired of all the marketing hype sales pitches these days.

I thought they were really interesting in the beginning, but come to find out they sell “selling” using underhanded tricks sometimes.

These days, lots of folks are struggling and can ill afford spending on guru tactics they will never use.

It’s alot of work to get high in the search engines. Tons. Many of these ads promise glitzy living if you buy these programs and attend these seminars and only work an hour a week from comfort of home. So many people are taken in. NOT nice!!

I am so over it. It hurts my heart to see so many people buy into these programs and then become disheartened and disillusioned when they don’t succeed.

The gurus rake it millions — good for them — but I can see that most all of them are super talented, write incredibly well, work day and night on promoting, talking, creating content. They are super folks.

But everyday people like me, are NOT. We can’t do what they do. They love selling. They can’t stop.

We regular folk don’t like selling. It’s not us.

I just started a new website and maybe I won’t make a dime because of my ignorance — we will see. I wish I could afford MindValleyLabs and do what they recommend. But I can’t, and I’m not that smart.

I just wanted to share my teeny ire about these great marketing gurus who sell truly great things that nobody can use.

Thank you for listening, and actually I do appreciate all this advice from Vishen, a brilliant genius.

But i felt like saying my honest peace — if this gets me in trouble, oh well. My heart is in the right place. I care and I want EVERYBODY to succeed in life. Not just great ones.

]]> By: Christian http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/comment-page-1/#comment-78610 Christian Mon, 26 May 2008 23:19:20 +0000 http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/#comment-78610 I agree that the internet marketing niche is flooded with bad advice and bad products. Although this tends to be the case across the board, I think many would agree that it has gotten a little out of hand in Internet marketing. With the number of products being launched weekly along with the number of so called experts claiming guru status, newbies can very easily fall victim to the "shiny new thing" syndrome...I know I did. I agree that the internet marketing niche is flooded with bad advice and bad products. Although this tends to be the case across the board, I think many would agree that it has gotten a little out of hand in Internet marketing. With the number of products being launched weekly along with the number of so called experts claiming guru status, newbies can very easily fall victim to the “shiny new thing” syndrome…I know I did.

]]> By: Jay http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/comment-page-1/#comment-71419 Jay Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:36:55 +0000 http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/#comment-71419 Bravo, I am sick to death of these flash in the pan so called internet marketing 'gurus' prostituting their info-crap that I shudder everytime I open my inbox these days. Give me results not just overhyped 'hope products'. Thanks Vishen your post has given me a new idea for a domain name to sort the 'wheat from the chaff'.. just registering it now. If you are buying a car whats the final thing you do (after research & finances etc) before purchase.. A ROAD TEST! So I have just registered this minute <a href="http://www.affiliateroadtest.com" rel="nofollow">affiliateroadtest</a> A place where the 'average joe' can request, test, and report on what programs actually deliver.. because like everyone else I am sick of wasting time, resources and money on the NEXT sure thing. Thanks again Vishen, keep the posts coming. Bravo,

I am sick to death of these flash in the pan so called internet marketing ‘gurus’ prostituting their info-crap that I shudder everytime I open my inbox these days.

Give me results not just overhyped ‘hope products’.

Thanks Vishen your post has given me a new idea for a domain name to sort the ‘wheat from the chaff’.. just registering it now.

If you are buying a car whats the final thing you do (after research & finances etc) before purchase..

A ROAD TEST!

So I have just registered this minute affiliateroadtest

A place where the ‘average joe’ can request, test, and report on what programs actually deliver.. because like everyone else I am sick of wasting time, resources and money on the NEXT sure thing.

Thanks again Vishen, keep the posts coming.

]]> By: Susan http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/comment-page-1/#comment-70548 Susan Sat, 05 Apr 2008 14:41:05 +0000 http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/#comment-70548 Finally something that I have long suspected and am reminded of every time I open my wallet and buy one of the junk courses. As a financier struggling to also be a marketer, I appreciate your straightforward approach. Finally something that I have long suspected and am reminded of every time I open my wallet and buy one of the junk courses.

As a financier struggling to also be a marketer, I appreciate your straightforward approach.

]]> By: Jeff http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/comment-page-1/#comment-67636 Jeff Fri, 21 Mar 2008 00:46:15 +0000 http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/#comment-67636 While we're being brutally honest lets face these facts. "Newbies" aren't an audience. They are a parade. A constant stream of people enter this market every day, which is the main reason it is so lucrative. It is also the reason recycled products work - because they are brand new to the guy who just started googling "make money online" yesterday. That guy doesn't know who the reputable people are and who are the people who made their first $100 yesterday and are writing about it today. Or who are the people still selling information on how to get to the top of the AltaVista search engine because newbies don't know any better. This makes it harder for the reputable people to stand out, especially since so many newbies end up getting discouraged because the first few things they bought weren't good. Also - the people putting out cruddy products can do so for years - as long as their traffic stream comes from brand new people entering the market. Let's also face the fact that most people don't do anything with the information they buy. And that's true of $1,000 courses as much as for $29 eBooks. A friend of mine had people in his $15,000 coaching program who never participated. So whose fault is that? There are unethical people in every business. It's just easier to reach a lot more victims on the net. Probably the best defense against this is to research forums and get feedback from customers before you buy anything. Internet marketing is still the best way I ever found to make money. But it is work. You don't succeed by buying an eBook if you never act on what you learn. Jeff While we’re being brutally honest lets face these facts.

“Newbies” aren’t an audience. They are a parade. A constant stream of people enter this market every day, which is the main reason it is so lucrative.

It is also the reason recycled products work — because they are brand new to the guy who just started googling “make money online” yesterday.

That guy doesn’t know who the reputable people are and who are the people who made their first $100 yesterday and are writing about it today. Or who are the people still selling information on how to get to the top of the AltaVista search engine because newbies don’t know any better.

This makes it harder for the reputable people to stand out, especially since so many newbies end up getting discouraged because the first few things they bought weren’t good.

Also — the people putting out cruddy products can do so for years — as long as their traffic stream comes from brand new people entering the market.

Let’s also face the fact that most people don’t do anything with the information they buy. And that’s true of $1,000 courses as much as for $29 eBooks. A friend of mine had people in his $15,000 coaching program who never participated. So whose fault is that?

There are unethical people in every business. It’s just easier to reach a lot more victims on the net.

Probably the best defense against this is to research forums and get feedback from customers before you buy anything.

Internet marketing is still the best way I ever found to make money. But it is work. You don’t succeed by buying an eBook if you never act on what you learn.

Jeff

]]> By: Chris Stigson http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/comment-page-1/#comment-67508 Chris Stigson Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:16:16 +0000 http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/#comment-67508 Interesting post... I've been marketing online for about 14 months now and I'm learning more and more so this post really made me realize some of the things I though I knew, which obviously I didn't.Thanks,- Chris Interesting post… I’ve been marketing online for about 14 months now and I’m learning more and more so this post really made me realize some of the things I though I knew, which obviously I didn’t.Thanks,- Chris

]]> By: MG Page http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/comment-page-1/#comment-67185 MG Page Wed, 12 Mar 2008 04:39:13 +0000 http://blog.mindvalleylabs.com/how-internet-marketing-gurus-are-screwing-the-public-and-making-it-increasingly-harder-for-newbies-to-gain-guidance/375/#comment-67185 Vishen, I really think more and more of us who have been drawn into internet marketing have come to this realisation. Until "opportunists" wake up and smell the rose they will continue be victims of internet marketers looking to make a quick buck. Of course we would all like to be able to come up with a product that solves a problem and make a squillion! Internet Marketers are catering to a niche... other internet marketers. In time the "newbies" will wake up and realise that what you are saying here is true. Vishen,
I really think more and more of us who have been drawn into internet marketing have come to this realisation. Until “opportunists” wake up and smell the rose they will continue be victims of internet marketers looking to make a quick buck. Of course we would all like to be able to come up with a product that solves a problem and make a squillion! Internet Marketers are catering to a niche… other internet marketers. In time the “newbies” will wake up and realise that what you are saying here is true.

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